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<JDAcura> anyone around?
<^smack> yup
<xwred1> yea
<JDAcura> haha were goign to take over the lan haha
<^smack> wasn't that just because nvidia had 32bit and 3dfx didn't?
<^smack> what you mean take it over?
<xwred1> even at 16bit, nvidia looked alot better
<JDAcura> matt did nick talk to u?
<^smack> all the good games back then were glide though.
<^smack> ok we can discuss the video card thing later.. what's up with the take over the lan thing?
<JDAcura> seth go talk to nathan. he can explain it faster then i can.
<JDAcura> matt ur down with all of this?
<^smack> I shouldn't go talk to him while my boss is here :)
<JDAcura> aha true.
<xwred1> what?
<xwred1> explain.  I already don't like the idea of "taking over the lan"
<JDAcura> nick said he was talking to u about the ;an party
<JDAcura> apok
<xwred1> i haven't gotten any messages
<JDAcura> haha what a tard.
<xwred1> he mentioned to me at the lan at his house how he tried to buy it from randy
<JDAcura> i tried calling u just now but u didnt anwser
<xwred1> i answered right when you hung up, i was sleeping
<JDAcura> ya he said that randy wants to omuch MONEY for the equipment --> $5000
<JDAcura> we can build and get new stuff for that much haha.
<^smack> what equipment? just the switches?
<xwred1> I still don't like the idea of a "takeover"
<JDAcura> ya and the server rack.
<JDAcura> and teh cables i guess.
<JDAcura> thats too much.
<xwred1> why do people want to get rid of randy?
<xwred1> thats what a takeover amounts to
<pills> man my java quiz literally gave me a headache
<^smack> I dunno.. I think randy does a good job.
<pills> oh yeah ...
<pills> smack w00t on the demo
<JDAcura> im hearing this form other ppl here. not me sayign this. they say that they want a lan and that they are gettign fed up with randy lack of a lan.
<^smack> people seem hostile toward him because he doesn't appear to have a big influence.
<^smack> but he does..
<xwred1> yea
<pills> he isnt as nice as giblin =)
<xwred1> he can't hold a lan out in the street
<JDAcura> i want to  lan as well. and i try to get places but nothign happens. no lans.
<JDAcura> but we can have a lan at the elks lodge and still be positive in the cash flow.
<pills> im fine with that
<xwred1> well, he told me the guy there hasn't returned his call
<JDAcura> im down for a lan party in the street. haha
<JDAcura> i just talked to the guy.
<xwred1> what did he say?
<JDAcura> they are doing a wedding or something. too busy.
<pills> could we...if it comes to this.....work a deal with the city again?
<JDAcura> with the city?
<xwred1> that deal with the city lost us money
<pills> ok nm
<JDAcura> matt. lost HIM money. twith randy their is no US
<pills> what about like riverbank or salida or something
<JDAcura> we just work and do stuff and dont get anythign out of it and still have to pay.
<pills> hmmmmm
<xwred1> well, I had to empty my bank account to pay for the electricity, and it was probably empty when they tried to bill us for internet, but randy reimbursed me with cash at the end of the lan
<pills> we could rent laserquest for a night and lan insde their
<pills> there*
<xwred1> laserquest is like $1000 or something
<pills> how many ppl we gonna have?
<JDAcura> ya gy.
<JDAcura> gay**
<pills> and i was being facetious
<pills> ill talk to my dad see if he knows any good warehouses or something
<xwred1> still, what does this takeover attempt amount to?  Buying a bunch of switches and crap, then holding a lan somewhere and calling it a modesto lan?  Thats lame.
<pills> is the old costco in motown empty?
<JDAcura> nick says he can do it all.
<JDAcura> spec ops is down. everyone is down.
<pills> is the gauntlet actually moveing locations? or just switching hands?
<xwred1> both
<pills> so....who is takeing the building the gauntlet is in?
<xwred1> no idea
<pills> why cant we take the back while they move?
<xwred1> I still think the takeover idea is dumb.  I have a strong feeling that the lans would be worse somehow.
<pills> ill talk to my dad
<JDAcura> spec ops said he doesnt want to compete with randy. but we have to do what we have to do. randy said he doesnt care what we do. i told him ppl were talking about doing their own lans. he said he didnt care.
<^smack> ya but you didn't say 'we are thinking about taking over YOUR lan'
<xwred1> thats not the same as taking over the modesto lan
<^smack> I'd think he'd care about that.
<JDAcura> nope. but it comes liek a theif in the night. right? lol
<^smack> what is the main pressure on randy when he hosts a lan? is it money or time?
<xwred1> wait, so what's going on with the elk guy?  He said we can't lan because of a wdding?
<JDAcura> no he is busy at the moment moving crap and stuff
* pills calls his dad
<JDAcura> not on our day.
<xwred1> ^smack: time, because he has to admin homelan games when we have no net access
<JDAcura> that right their is enough of a reason to give it up
<JDAcura> he hasnt have the time for this.
<JDAcura> and its hurting everyone else.
* ^smack is in pain.
<JDAcura> do u not understand this? its the truth.
<xwred1> he's told me himself he'd happily come to every lan for the whole time if we got internet access.  thats the reason we got it in the first place.
<pills> my dad says he knows a lot of places
<JDAcura> either we do something or im not going to do this crap anymore. its a waist of time if i try and get stuff done and dont get anythign out of it.
<pills> he will fish around
<pills> i told him it just mainly had to have electrical
<xwred1> JDAcura: what?  Do you want to make money or something?  Going to a lan should be enough.
<pills> agreed
<JDAcura> but we have to pay $20 to go to the lan even when we RUN it
<xwred1> pills: cheap and internet are are also good
<pills> how big was the beech house?
<xwred1> no idea
<xwred1> it was big enough
<pills> is anything in the building?
<JDAcura> i dont care about making money. atleast we shoudl get in free liek we used to. or atleast get somethign out of the lans. geez.
<xwred1> we never got in free
<xwred1> i've never been to a free molan, ever
<xwred1> oh, nm
<pills> welll technically we never got in free
<xwred1> I see what you're saying
<^smack> what are you saying?
<xwred1> a few lans us organizers didn't have to pay
<pills> i dont think they had to pay because they ran it or something
<xwred1> it was only like 2 lans
<pills> anyway is there anything in the beech house now?
<xwred1> i don't know
<xwred1> and its beach, not beech
<pills> i dont like to spell good
<^smack> I shoulda gone to that lan at the beachhouse.. my system was really good back then.
<^smack> I'd just never been to a lan party before and was worried about my stuff.
<xwred1> i thought you guys had gone to that one
<xwred1> with imacs or something
<pills> what about a school or something?
<pills> lol
<pills> get beebe to get us the cafeteria at elliot
<JDAcura> hey seth i called atacom and they are backorded on my mobo haha
<JDAcura> both w/audio and without
<JDAcura> so i have to wait. maybe they will get it next week.
<^smack> yeah my bro went with his imac.. I stopped by to visit and check it out.
<JDAcura> i got all my parts too. haha except my mobo and heat sink.
<xwred1> JDAcura: so Apok is in on this takeover thing?
<JDAcura> ya why
<xwred1> i don't want to sound mean, but I don't see why he cares
<JDAcura> randy said he didnt care. so that seems like a sign of who cares now. so ya why not.
<xwred1> he almost never goes to a molan anyways
<JDAcura> we havnt had a lan since febuary.
<xwred1> last one Apok went to was in like October
<JDAcura> thats like 3 months ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it sucks thats why we caer.
<JDAcura> modestolan is about the LANNERS the PEOPLE! not to rely on RANDY.
<xwred1> randy is a good leader
<pills> seriouly....why cant we  use the back while gauntlet moves out?
<xwred1> pills: i don't know
<JDAcura> BUT HES NOT LEADING ANYTHING
<^smack> that's only because we're short a location
<JDAcura> im ready to give up. i dont really care about lans anymore. this is stupid.
<xwred1> then give up
* pills minimizes his IRC window....
<xwred1> all you do is download porn anyways
<JDAcura> ha not true =)
* ^smack feels the heat.'
<JDAcura> i BROWSE it
<pills> send me that demo smack
<JDAcura> seth nathan is all for it. everyoone is good for it. this isnt far to us. matt u need to stop defending things here. either u want to lan or not
<pills> he wants to lan, but he has faith in randy
<xwred1> i don't want to take over the modesto lan
<JDAcura> i want to lan. but if im going to wait 6 more months for a "SPACE" to become available to us then screw it
<JDAcura> u rnot takign it over.
<^smack> who is?
<^smack> someone has to be in charge.. and get the final decision on everything.
<JDAcura> it would be NICK AKA APOK
<^smack> nahh.. randy.
<JDAcura> it doens matter anymore
<JDAcura> no one legally owns the lan party
<JDAcura> it's like data are ur HD. it can be erased.
* pills goes to www.copyright.com
<xwred1> its a non profit, it should stay that way.  I don't see why anyone needs to oust randy
<JDAcura> i can go downtown and get a non profit org liscence and own the lan today.
<^smack> and like my hds it can't be erased by anybody but the admin..  :) me   or in the example randy.
<JDAcura> no.
<pills> tbird could hax0r it
<JDAcura> haha
<^smack> hahaha
<JDAcura> me and matt can hostage the server
<^smack> haha
<JDAcura> we own this. me and matt do allt eh behind the scence stuff. he just shows up and does the cablesling and cleans up.
<^smack> is that true?
<JDAcura> when was the last time he posted on the forums?
<JDAcura> last month? i mean come on
<pills> Jim call the fucking gauntlet and see why the hell we cant take the backroom while they move out or wahtever
<xwred1> we're not going to hostage the server
<xwred1> i guess we would talk to the property owner about that
<xwred1> everyone in there just rents
<pills> i have a question about html standard
<JDAcura> guanlet didnt awsner
<pills> jeez Jim its only 11:30 what were u thinking
<pills> gotta wait till 1:00 or so
<pills> anyway back to html standard
<pills> is there a standard between browsers now for leftmargin, or marginwidth? so I dont have to do 4 attributes for all the browsers
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<xwred1> i'm not sure
<xwred1> maybe with css you can adjust them
<xwred1> in fact, i'm pretty confident you can
<pills> i dont want to use css, its for compart..im doing a quick and easy website so I can pass the class
<pills> i have to have 3 done soon
<pills> ill just copy and paste the attribs
<xwred1> well, you could fudge it with tables
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<pills> hehe
<pills> pills.xwredwing.net:99/compart
<pills> i have a table im trying to get to the end of the frame
<pills> err the border of the frame......i dont know how to word it
<pills> a seemless image?
<pills> between frames
<xwred1> i can't scroll for some reason
<xwred1> and the tabs on the left are a little weird
<pills> why u need to scroll?
<pills> how so weird?
<xwred1> looks like there is more that i don't see
<JDAcura> yaya u newbie
<xwred1> the tabs aren't lining up with the blue page
<xwred1> but I'm using mozilla
<pills> yeah
<pills> thats why I was asking about those standards
<pills> worx in ie pretty good
<pills> i havent installed netscape again yet
<pills> so I havent tried it yet
<xwred1> even if you follow standards, sometimes things look diff in diff browsers
<xwred1> anyways, I have to hop in the shower
<pills> browsers are dumb
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